Sunday 27 October 2024

Both Seer and Seen are Brahman, not Seer alone.+

The Seer and the Seen.

The Seer is the subject and the Seen is an object.

The Seer is the Soul, the Self.

The Seen is the ‘I'.

The ‘I’ appears and disappears.

The Soul sees the appearance and disappearance of the ‘I’.

The Soul is permanent and real.

The ‘I’ is impermanent because it appears and disappears.

This is your bondage, that you hold the Self as the ‘I'.

That is why Bhagavad Gita: ~ The permanent (consciousness) is always there, only the transient ‘I’ comes and goes. (2.18)

The ‘I’ hides the truth of the whole.

Bhagavad Gita: ~ “You must first see the ‘I’ as illusory before you see others as illusory. ~ CH.2 v.16

Sage Sankara says the transparent Truth of the Self, which is hidden by the illusion, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, (Gnani)

~ then why you are sticking to a Guru who is not a Gnani.

Sage Sankara says ~ “The exercise in discrimination between real and unreal and renunciation of the false leads truth- realization.

Atman is Brahman. The Atman is the innermost Self is non-dual because there is no second thing that exists other than the Atman.

Atman is present in the form of consciousness. Consciousness is the only true reality, and everything else, which appears as form, time, and space is merely an illusion.

There is nothing that exists prior to consciousness. The ‘I’ ceases to exist without consciousness. The Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, is the ultimate truth or Brahman.

Remember:~

We begin to discriminate first with our words; then with our ideas; then with our outlook; then with our lives and lastly with our consciousness.

By doing we do not get at Brahman. You have to think hard to remove ignorance. The rope does not give birth to the snake. The rope is that which causes apprehension of the snake. That is all. Objects of imagination alone have birth and death and not Atman which is not an object of imagination.

Those who lack the intelligence to discriminate between Seer and Seen have to be given Yoga. Both Seer and Seen are Brahman, not Seer alone.

Can truth ever change? The nature of truth is this: It can never be changed under any circumstances. It may be misrepresented. It must apply to the whole of existence, to the whole of the universe.

It is in the world of the seen alone that you have all changes, as Drg Drsya Viveka points out. The seer remains unchanged. The Seer, as such remains immortal. It can never die for it never changes. 

The body is seen and goes, but the seer or knower of the body can never go. Take this principle as your guiding thread and Vedanta becomes easy. 

The seer can never be subject to the changes of the seen; it is unchanged. The mistake usually made is that the seer becomes seen, or that seen is the Seer.

If you want to have an absence of contradictions, an absence of duality, there must be one entity, one being. If you have a thought or an idea, there is a contradiction between Drik and Drsyam, for "thought" is Seen. Why should distinction imply a contradiction, you ask. What does distinction mean? It implies that two things are not the same, hence duality exists there.

What is the soul as different from the mind? The Soul is only a mental picture. Even if you say that you are immortal and exist eternally, it is the mind that must tell you this, i.e. to the mind that it is only an idea.

Ideas never reach Atman. The mind never knows it. He who says he has a vision of the highest or describes it as supra-mental etc. does not understand Atman, because it is free from imagination.

Vedanta says ordinarily knowledge arises from the experience of an object by a subject; that all knowledge of objects will only lead to more thinking but never give you ultimate reality. 

The west position is "Let us try and get more and still more objective experience and then when we have enough we may get reality.” Vedanta says the West can never get at the ultimate truth that way because it leads to endless thoughts and because it ignores the seer, the West must make the inquiry into Drik to find reality. We do not say it should give up its investigations into objects; they are useful empirically; but only that it should not delude itself that this is the correct path to final reality.

Who ever saw the awakening of consciousness? Whoever saw the first man or the first animal?

Such talk is not philosophy but hypothesis. :~Santthosh Kumaar 

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